[Abbenay] Abbenay.org updated

Mon Dec 14 14:09:09 CST 2009

I didn't mean it to be long. I'll mark things that are extremely important
in dark red.

We have had such discussions, for a while there it felt as we did nothing
else but discuss formalities. I realise that this is news to new members but
we have had a meeting where we formed the organsation and settled on certain
bylaws, elected admin etc.

Actually I would like it very much if we saved administrative discussions to
the next demi-annual, it takes up a lot of energy that I think the majority
of people present would like to use for other things. I don't mean to be
rude by saying this, you are free to completely ignore what I just said and
do whatever you want on the meeting.
Discussions on possibly changes in the bylaws are of course always very
welcome, that being said actual changes in said bylaws can only be done at
the demi-anual meeting.

Speaking of which, we are to have a new such meeting quite soon I believe.
Why don't we discuss date for it on thursday and then create a doodle?

I realise that we have a lot of active individuals that are not members of
abbenay - the förening which means that they are not required to accept
these bylaws. This maillinglist for example is open to anyone, member or
not.

I believe I speak for quite a lot of people when I say that there is more to
Abbenay than the förening and that we will not exclude non-members.

What the abstract entity of Abbenay is and isn't and who is Abbenay and who
isn't is not binary since it is a anachistcly formed loose group of
indiduals who have not decided much on how to organise. Members of the
förening Abbenay and what is being said and done in it's name is though. Do
you see what I'm getting at?

This is deeply problematic, which is why I can see certain advantages with
having to seperate names for these to enteties, even though that will mean a
lot of other trouble like acess to the space and so on.

*The Big Summit
*
Below is a quote from previous discussion by myself

The quote is from a summit to a meeting that I'm sorry to say to few
attented therefore it didn't really lead any dramatically interesting where
other than that we confirmed previous decisions.

http://groups.google.com/group/abbenay-hackspace/browse_thread/thread/6dba9f5acbdf809c

What did happend was myself, Ged, Axel and Sebastian decided that Abbenay
need to have a big an open debate on everything we state and do as a group
and that we would not make any political staments whatsoever or promote
illegal acitivites. These two things I just said follows from being a member
of UFS and FUF and therefore stating these two things in our bylaws. I'm
sorry to say this has not been communicated to all "active indivduals" but
happy to say it has been communicated to all formal members of Abbenay since
the per definition have agreed to accept the bylaws.

What we did was to say that we wanted to be a member of UFS and FUF, we were
not this before. This meant that I sent in some already created documents
(including bylaws) that we had not sent in because we saw no reason to do so
since we could hang out at the squat.

I've seen comments such as "Also, since there are no real finances involved
I don't see any point at all of
having the proposed structure." and I would like to add that there in fact *
are* finances involved.  For more info on that go to the bottom of
http://www.abbenay.org/projects/ and also just ponder on the fact that we
are allowed to use the UFS office.

QUOTE FROM SUMMIT:
"We state in our bylaws that the only goal for this organisation is to

provide a location and tools for it's members. We have made no
political statements as a group. This association consists of
individuals who use the space the association provides for them. These
individuals do not represent Abbenay as a whole unless Abbenay as a
whole has decided this.

In our bylaws we state that members are those willing to be members
and also accept the bylaws.

Something I think that we can agree on is that this is an
anarchisticly organised organisation. Having said this I think the
previous statement is extremely problematic that this isn't something
we have discussed at all. Our bylaws state that we are not bound to
any political party, other than that there is no evidence, no decision
that we are in fact a an anarchisticly organised organisation. This is
something I guess we have taken for granted since most active members
are anarchists or have anarchistic tendencies.

Taking things for granted is not good. And not having told new members
of the emaillist about our bylaws or the anarchism is not good either.

The issues we have to discuss are these:

We must decide on a form for how we make decisions as a group. Do we
even want to make statements as a group? Is a decision taken when
nobody objects? What happens when someone does object? In our bylaws
it says that "big decisions" are taken on summits and with simple
majority vote, what are big decisions?

Do we need to agree on some kind of policy about what is okay and what is
not?
I like to do stuff.
I have not disagreed with anything discussed on this list so far.
But we need to be crystal clear, there can be no misconceptions! "

/Hed.

2009/12/14 Viktor Lindberg <leth at leth.yi.org>

> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 07:23:12PM +0100, Hedvig Skirgård wrote:
> > I just spend quite some time doing some stuff on abbenay.org instead of
> > writing a report. So you guys better read what I've written.
> >
> > *Membership form (do it!!)*
> >
> > http://www.abbenay.org/become_member/
> >
> > *More "legal" things on us*
> >
> > http://www.abbenay.org/About_Us/
>
> I have not initiated this hackerspace in anyways, but my view on
> hackerspace is that confining a hackerspace in too many and formal
> rules might ruin the spirit of the whole idea. I don't actually mind
> forming an official organisation, but i just think that we should be
> carefull with how this is done and it would be nice if all the active
> individuals could have a say in this, i propose we discuss this over
> several meetings to allow as many people as possible to give input.
>
> > *Some shit about what happens on next meeting*
> >
> > http://www.abbenay.org/Next_meeting/
>
> I added a proposed activity be me.
>
> > *
> > A short text on funding under*
> >
> > http://www.abbenay.org/projects/
>
> I didn't have time to read this but i will later, good idea.
>
> > *Oh By The Way Look At This Funny Clip That I Found
> > *"Sciende is interesting if you don't agree you can fuck off "/Richard
> > Dawkins
> > http://www.rathergood.com/science
> >
> > /Hed.
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