[Abbenay] Membership?

Mon Dec 14 16:20:04 CST 2009

Thank you, that was very well put. ^^!

Do you mind if I quote some of what you've just written? Or you could write
a little something on the admininstratrivia article that i just as started
(i decided to move all the legal discussion there so that the "about us"
could be more about us [which sadly meant that it said the same thing as the
first page])?

And especially thank you for finally giving me a good explanation of what
booster is, I've been wondering that for a long time know. Hela
samhällsentrepenörssnacket gav mig kalla kårar.

We do have members that prefer english. We have had no complaints from the
swedish speakers that they don't feel comfortable in english but sometimes
I'm not sure that means that they are okay with it.

/Hed.

p.s. I wanna delete the article called "legalese". I'm guessing one need to
log in to do that and I don't remember my password since it is so
unnessecary for editing the wiki anyway. If anyone remembers their login, do
delete it for me will you?

2009/12/14 Jobjörn Folkesson <jobjorn at gmail.com>

> Some legal discussion:
>
> As you probably know, there is something called "legal person" (sv:
> "juridisk person"). Like real people, legal persons have the right to
> enter agreements, own property, be in debt, etc.
>
> Different countries have different rules about what is required for an
> association (sv: "förening") to be recognized as a legal person. In
> Sweden, there is a difference between economic associations (sv:
> "ekonomiska föreningar") and not-for-profit organisations (sv:
> "ideella föreningar"). An economic association is formed to further
> the immediate economic interests of its members, for example as a work
> cooperative, a trade union, or a consumer cooperative. Economic
> associations are bound by lots of laws, and require formal
> registration.
>
> Not-for-profit organisations, however, do not. Nothing at all is
> required for an association to become a legal person - it just is,
> from the moment it is created. In most cases, you'll have to be able
> to show written bylaws, but theoretically, nothing is stopping you
> from having the bylaws recorded on tape. Or for that matter, you don't
> even have to record it. Also, you usually need a board - there is no
> actual legal precedent for this, the courts have just assumed that
> that is how it must be. Unless you like hassling with the courts (some
> people do, which is why I know all this), you'll need a board.
>
> Then, there's "organisationsnummer". They're like "personnummer"
> (usually compared to American social security numbers... is there, by
> the way, anyone reading this that actually is unable to read
> Swedish?), but for legal persons. Back in the days, you didn't have to
> have one to open bank accounts etc, but now you do (although if you
> give them enough trouble you can do it without a number). Skatteverket
> is responsible for handing out these numbers (and it is when they
> refuse that you go to the courts). Note, however, that having an
> organisation number is not what makes your association a legal person
> - it was already, now it just has a number.
>
> Ungdomsstyrelsen (eng: "Youth's board") is responsible for handing out
> money to organisations with young people as members. They have some
> requirements, but these have nothing to do with forming an association
> - just with their handing out money. In order for an association to be
> eligible, it has to have at least 1000 members, so most associations
> form larger organisations such as Förbundet Unga Forskare or Sverok.
> For associations without a larger organisation to belong to, there are
> some (I know of one, at least) "umbrella" organisations that house a
> lot of different associations. Alternativa Politikerveckan
> (www.alternativveckan.se) is a member of Booster (www.boosta.se) and
> that arrangement is working out quite good.
>
> If an association is too small to get money from Ungdomsstyrelsen, all
> hope is not lost. Most municipalities and counties have various forms
> of grants, often in the form of "local activity support" (sv: "lokalt
> aktivitetsstöd"). There are also many funds and foundations you can
> get donations from if you do some digging.
>
> Any questions regarding this, don't hesitate to ask!
>
> regards
> Jobjörn
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 22:00, Hedvig Skirgård
> <hedvig.skirgard at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Might I add that FUF and UFS of course are not allowed to give
> information
> > about members to a third party and that the goverment can only request
> > information on FUFs members if there is suspicion of fraud i.e. faked
> > members. If such a case arouse the only thing the board of youth would be
> > interested is if all members have made a free choice of joining the
> > orginsation every year and that no tampering with data has been made. The
> > are very uninterested in who is in which förening to be honest and it
> would
> > be quite illegal for them to look up specificly which members Abbenay
> has.
> >
> > Need I say that FUF has never been suspected of data tampering?
> >
> > That reminds me, the content of this mailinglist is public since you can
> > find it here:
> > http://eval.nu/pipermail/abbenay_eval.nu/
> > Is this the way we want it?
> >
> > This being said, I do understand you concerns. I'm sorry if I come of
> harsh.
> >
> > /Hed
> >
> >
> > 2009/12/14 Hedvig Skirgård <hedvig.skirgard at gmail.com>
> >
> >> This decison was made over half a year ago and was sent in to FUF in
> >> october. There is a förening called Abbenay that you can become a member
> of
> >> since september.
> >>
> >> At the time I wanted something quick and simply and more people than me
> >> agreed on Google Docs. I acutally reread the privacy pages again just
> today
> >> and I don't find the choice nonchalant. The reason why we changed to
> >> eval.nu we're mainly because google groups didn't work very well. If
> >> somebody has a good suggestion for the filling in of the form that is
> easy
> >> and works with excel (which is what FUF:s membership database uses), do
> let
> >> me know.
> >>
> >> I've written a text about how information on members is being shared,
> this
> >> is known fact to all who fill in the form, hence I dont' see the problem
> >> since we also state that non-members are welcome to acitivties.
> >>
> >> /Hed.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2009/12/14 Tommy <tommy at nevtelen.com>
> >>
> >>> Hello there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would just like to voice my concerns regarding the decision to become
> >>> a "förening". This means that the members have to be registered and the
> >>> list of members has to be sent to another organization or the
> >>> government.
> >>>
> >>> Also the use of Google Docs for the registration seems a little bit
> >>> nonchalant.
> >>>
> >>> These are just some thoughts..otherwise keep up the good work.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Tommy N - putting in two euro cents
> >>>
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