[Abbenay] When are you available?

[bittin]

21 oct afternoon/evening
22 oct afternoon/evening
23 oct afternoon/evening
24 oct
25 oct

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Hedvig Skirgård
<hedvig.skirgard at gmail.com>wrote:

> Okay here we go again.
>
> The last thread about when to meet about important things got mixed up with
> other stuff and i didn't get as many answers as I wanted.
>
> Please answer only with your choice of date and time, just copy paste it
> in.
>
> 19 oct after 13
> 20 oct before 17
> 21 oct afternoon/evening
> 22 oct afternoon/evening
> 23 oct afternoon/evening
> 24 oct
> 25 oct
>
> So far the time most people have preferred is 21 oct afternoon/evening and
> 23.
> ___________________________________________________________________________
>
> Here is the original post about what the meeting is about:
>
> Tagline: Taking things for granted is not good - let's talk
>
> Hello.all members of the Abbenay Hackspace emaillist.
>
> This is an important message about what Abbenay is and how we are
> organised. If you are a member of Abbenay please read this and attend
> the summit (AFK or at IRC).
>
> Certain issues has come up that we need to talk about all together as
> a group. Therefore I, as the current administrator, would like to call
> for a grand meeting/summit (*stormöte*). In our bylaws (that are being
> translated into English very soon) it is stated that we need to notify
> all members at least two weeks in advance. Here is a draft by myself,
> Sebastian Liem and Google Translate.
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=dsst9bb_29386ckgbft . Those of you who
> know English and Swedish are very welcome to help.
>
> Facts:
>
> This organsation has bylaws which unfurtunately hasn't been translated
> into english yet.
>
> We state in our bylaws that the only goal for this organisation is to
> provide a location and tools for it's members. We have made no
> political statements as a group. This association consists of
> individuals who use the space the association provides for them. These
> individuals do not represent Abbenay as a whole unless Abbenay as a
> whole has decided this.
>
> In our bylaws we state that members are those willing to be members
> and also accept the bylaws.
>
> Something I think that we can agree on is that this is an
> anarchisticly organised organisation. Having said this I think the
> previous statement is extremely problematic that this isn't something
> we have discussed at all. Our bylaws state that we are not bound to
> any political party, other than that there is no evidence, no decision
> that we are in fact a an anarchisticly organised organisation. This is
> something I guess we have taken for granted since most active members
> are anarchists or have anarchistic tendencies.
>
> Taking things for granted is not good. And not having told new members
> of the emaillist about our bylaws or the anarchism is not good either.
>
> The issues we have to discuss are these:
>
> We must decide on a form for how we make decisions as a group. Do we
> even want to make statements as a group? Is a decision taken when
> nobody objects? What happens when someone does object? In our bylaws
> it says that "big decisions" are taken on summits and with simple
> majority vote, what are big decisions?
>
> Do we need to agree on some kind of policy about what is okay and what is
> not?
>
> I like to do stuff.
> I have not disagreed with anything discussed on this list so far.
> But we need to be crystal clear, there can be no misconceptions!
>
> Please write dates that suit you here, CLEARLY mind you.
>
> I suggest that while we can have a discussion here on the list about
> the the above issues we should leave the main discussion for the
> summit and not let it take up all time for the workshop on saturday.
>
> Sayonara,
> Admin Hed.
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